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Salsa Congresses: What is wrong with them and why are they dying??


Sun, Dec 11, 2011 01:00 AM
Written by Milton Rodas
Salsa Congresses: What is wrong with them and why are they dying??

SALSA CONGRESSES ARE DYING! — If you are reading this, you are probably wondering: "let's see what this guy has to say about this." Perhaps you are one of those people killing the congresses, or perhaps you are one of those people who are hoping that the truth gets out and maybe those killing the congresses will change their ways for the sake and love of salsa. 

I have a friend from the UK who tells me that the top things that you want to find at Salsa congresses are the: 1) pool parties, 2) good DJs (or bands...which in his opinion are not really necessary), and 3) top teachers. Admittedly, he also tells me that what is killing congresses is pretty much one thing: TOO MANY SHOWS!!!!!!!!!!!

The funny thing is, this goes precisely along the concensus amongst all my salsa friends in Los Angeles and anywhere else. 

So, who is addicted to the shows? The dancers who want to dance? The salsa lovers who want to hear good salsa music being played? Or the promoters who see each performer as a ($) dollar sign and, if they could, they would have 6 straight hours of performances every single night of a congress, allowing the people who paid to get in and have fun to only dance 1-2 hours. 

What people want to do is pay their money, go to the workshops, and then practice in the evening: show off their new moves on the dance floor. But they don't get a chance to do that. Instead, they have to sit for hours (if they choose to), watching ANYBODY who paid a fee to perform (very few performance acts in the world really get paid) get up on the stage and do their thing...regardless of how lame it possibly is. 

A funny story is that during one of the latest local congresses (I won't mention the name to not create conflict), we went up to the rooms to sleep during the shows, came back down to dance...but THE SHOWS WERE STILL GOING! True story. 

Now, who wants to waste their money doing that? And how do promoters think that they'll meet room quotas for hotels and venues, if nobody is going to their event?? Will they start forcing performers to stay at the hotel as a requesite of the performance? And who will the performers perform to if nobody, besides their family, is in the audience? And what will happen when because nobody is in the audience, the performers also stop paying their fee to perform at any congress?

This is not trickle-down economics like it happens in Washington. This is pretty common sense stuff. 

Why can't promoters understand that there's a global frustration with those events that used to be world caliber events in the past, and are not anymore. 

In Europe, the good congresses according to what I've stated in this article, seem to currently be, the Salsa Festival Switzerland (Zurich, Switzerland), the Berlin Salsa Congress (Germany), the Croatian Summer Salsa Festival (Rovinj, Croatia), and the Amsterdam Salsa & Zouk Festival (Netherlands). And in the Americas, Eli Irizarry seems to be doing an outstanding job as well with his Puerto Rico Salsa Congress. 

These events have top performers, the shows are a maximum of an hour and a half, when it comes to alternative dances to salsa...zouk instructors are world-class, and the attendees know that they can expect a lot of dancing until the wee hours of the morning. Also, the after-parties are usually very, very good. 

So, what is a better business model for Salsa as it stands today? I am just a writer on this salsa website; I guess this is to be decided by those organizing the events. But as long as the trickle-down economics of students paying to be trained and perform for free, and still paying to perform at major events, and then those paying to enjoy the events are forced to put up with the lengthly performances...the events will continue to struggle and never get back up to the height that they were less than a decade or so ago. 

In the past, you knew that you would see performances by top salsa dancers like Luis Vazquez, Tropical Gem, Frankie Martine, etc. Today, it is not what it used to be in the past. 

I understand that those performing love doing it and so long as they are addicted to it and feel that they belong to a troupe, they will pay their way for anything...training, performances, hotel fees, etc. But my goal with this article is NOT to put their enthuciasm down. Rather, to bring light to the reasons why Salsa may be suffering today.

This goes line in line with the fact that I started salsahook with no other motive than to PROMOTE salsa dancing and music. I realized that there was a need for people to know every event in their city, and I thought of a solution for it. So, I am not trying to attack anyone or put anyone down. I am simply pointing out observations that are not just mine, but of so many people out there. 

Thank you for reading. 

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6 Comments

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Randy Kish

Thu, Dec 29, 2011, 07:58 PM
Milton, first it's difficult for anyone to say they speak for a group as a whole. Many aspects go into the overall satisfaction an individual, a group, or a segment of a group that will drive the pm to return to a congress, recommend a congress, or go to another enent by that promoter. Examples could include the venue, attractions outside of the event, the workshops, the pool parties, the after parties, the shows, the headliners, or the international attendance. What's important is which of those… Read More
Milton, first it's difficult for anyone to say they speak for a group as a whole. Many aspects go into the overall satisfaction an individual, a group, or a segment of a group that will drive the pm to return to a congress, recommend a congress, or go to another enent by that promoter. Examples could include the venue, attractions outside of the event, the workshops, the pool parties, the after parties, the shows, the headliners, or the international attendance. What's important is which of those parts of the overall experience are of high quality and will drive (cause) the majority of attendees to return, recommend or go to another event. Attitudinal intent is very difficult to measure and takes science to do correctly. It's far beyond asking a small number of people (eg promoters) what they think and beyond focus groups. That being said, some events, such as San Diego have changed their format to only 15 shows at night, allowing for more social dancing. If LA would only follow that lead (it was hard to be reform at night in the past - no?). Look beyond LA, some events, like SF and Vegas here on the West Coast, Houston, Austin, Reno and now San Diego are on the rise. They seem to be scoring high on those aspect of the Congress experience that bring people back.
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Randy Kish

Thu, Dec 29, 2011, 08:01 PM
Good topic, a lot of moving parts. Sorry for the typos, I'm on my iPad.
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Milton Rodas

Fri, Dec 30, 2011, 09:17 AM
Randy, sure, nobody is doing a scientific poll or study on this subject or why, precisely, groups of people flock to events, while others do not anymore. The fact of the matter is that attendance is down, the excitement is not there as it was before, vendors don't sell, promoters are failing to make ends meet which causes them to not pay dancers or the winners of in-congress competitions, their staff, their DJs, etc. It's a total mess!

The opinions posted in this article are simply… Read More
Randy, sure, nobody is doing a scientific poll or study on this subject or why, precisely, groups of people flock to events, while others do not anymore. The fact of the matter is that attendance is down, the excitement is not there as it was before, vendors don't sell, promoters are failing to make ends meet which causes them to not pay dancers or the winners of in-congress competitions, their staff, their DJs, etc. It's a total mess!

The opinions posted in this article are simply shared by individuals who have seen great congresses in times past, of which, unless you were dancing before 2004 and attended them, a person would not really know what the comparison means...since they never experienced the first sample. Even in the 90s, during the Bacardi-sponsored Congresses in Puerto Rico and other parts of the world, the accounts are completely different from what we see today.

Very few are the dancers who can say that they did not pay to perform at a congress. Meaning, an entrance fee of some sort, even when they were part of the entertainment that makes the promoters their money and is supposed to attract people. When you have a system where performances are seen as a source of income for promoters, the real dancers who attended the event to dance and have fun, will, at some point, stop wanting to attend the event and will, ultimately, stop attending it.

Yes, events like San Francisco have shown more promise in the recent years, as they are run better and it is different promoters who are in charge, have less performances, and have better attractions around the area for visitors to seek out. Also, they bring better dancers, better workshops, and attendees are more pleased with their overall experience. I could not say the same about the other geographical areas you mentioned.

All in all, as a dancer who cares for Salsa and who has performed, but not paid to perform, and has competed in the past, there is a sense of care for events that a day long ago brought in thousands of people to dance and celebrate the joy of salsa music, culture, and dancing. Five to eight thousand people dancing together to the same music, to the same international bands, etc., and enjoying themselves with a memorable experience they would never forget.

Hopefully, Salsa will find new sources of life, which always lies in the dancing. The music is vital too, but musicians these days making salsa hits are VERY FEW, and all the bands are just playing covers of songs created 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago.
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Randy Kish

Sat, Dec 31, 2011, 08:57 PM
Let's talk about this offline over a beer. Before we do, check out www.foresee.com. My point wasn't one of comparison back in the day, granted I wasn't there (what were the attendance numbers - is there a trend from 2001 to 2011?). Its something that's been of interest to me due to my professional life - a proven science applied to this topic and conversation. What in an experience is going to drive someone's future intent - it can be answered, but there isn't a promoter in this field who would… Read More
Let's talk about this offline over a beer. Before we do, check out www.foresee.com. My point wasn't one of comparison back in the day, granted I wasn't there (what were the attendance numbers - is there a trend from 2001 to 2011?). Its something that's been of interest to me due to my professional life - a proven science applied to this topic and conversation. What in an experience is going to drive someone's future intent - it can be answered, but there isn't a promoter in this field who would want to pay for it.

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Expectator

Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 05:32 PM
Right, please someone forward this article to Mr. Torres.
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Randy

Tue, Jan 10, 2012, 07:33 PM
Let's all go to Croatia! Just kidding. Interesting though, people are raving about the Reno Bachata Festival last weekend. Apparently a non-stop party. I would say you should check out Vegas for the same reason. If they could only bring back Pool-Chata...
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